The latter. Everything in the cloud's digital. But... even before that, I was asleep for twenty years. When I was woken up again, there wasn't much time to do things like this.
[When you're stupidly focused but also when you're one of those people not dying!]
I'd like to know more about your digital world. You were asleep for twenty years? That's a long time.
[He had a sleep too! Well, he would have if he wasn't here. It didn't last that long thankfully, and he was wedged into a hexcore cocoon and pumped full of Vander juice.]
Maybe I did. [ take them for granted once. but to be fair to him he kind of had a lot going on on top of the depression before realizing what he was, so maybe that changes the context. I feel like viktor's sleep was much worse here. ]
She said she couldn't wait any longer. I wasn't even supposed to be underclocked, but she saved me and said she was working to remove the pieces of antiviral still left in me that whole time. But there were some pieces left.
[ on that concerning note, he walks. come along, viktor. ]
Ah. You haven't met her. [ a pause. ] The other side has though.
Anyway you're close. Uploading would be putting a digital consciousness into the cloud. A scan of the brain is created and digitized, and the body is left behind.
[Well, now he is thinking about the guardians on the other side... Who is your secret, Kiraman. (It's fucking two of them.)]
Hm. I understand, in a way. The commune retained access to their bodies. They were merely linked via the minds. But I can see a similar concept; if their bodies had been abandoned in favor of simply existing inside the place I showed you.
Yeah, it's like that. When a person's uploaded, their mind's a perfect emulation, but it still functions the same. It can grow, and it can change, and it can work. The bodies in the cloud--avatars--can look like just about anything you want. I didn't change much of mine.
[ he has a robot arm, but that's different. also, he's not telling viktor about his emo white-streaked red-eyed era. ]
Being uploaded means you're pretty much immortal. You can't get sick, you can't decay... it's a way to live forever. Now, anyway. Before, with the first UIs, there were problems that left them unstable. But last I checked we're about half and half of UIs and embodied humans. They don't always get along though.
[ actually I'm going to force you into multiple memshares, fuck you. because... ]
Hard to itemize it as a list, I think.
[ and as they pass a puddle, viktor can get a sense of the conflict from this to 12:20, and continued from here to sure, let's say 16:40. you've seen this, have fun. ]
[STOP HE NEEDED THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION slaps your damn memories away. the way i got distracted watching all of that FUCK.
Anyway, this is his future, but he doesn't know, so funny. He does have to stop in place and re-calibrate after, to sort through all of the information, and then try to reconcile seeing an advanced form of digital technology. INTERESTING.]
There were a lot of things happening because humanity feared UIs and what they were able to do. That was the case even when the first UIs were created. They viewed them as a threat. So much that a virus was created to hunt down every UI and destroy them. UIs, obviously, did not appreciate being treated as if they weren't alive. So they retaliated.
... I didn't know the attack would happen when I went in for negotiations that day.
Perhaps it helps that the chancellor and I are partners. [ it was not a lie that her position made the whole thing kind of compromised. ] That, and I was the one to perfect the technology.
[ but he is watching this, frowning a little as it goes. ]
Piltover and Zaun were in conflict for a while, weren't they? But Jayce still... [ chose an easy route until the work was completed. until he could come back, finish something, and use it for other means. hm. ] ... when you heal them, the Hexcore marks them. There really is no turning back.
[Surprisingly, he is rather emotive about the first half of this tacked together memory.
Partners... Perfecting Jayce's dream.
The revelation is quickly consumed by the muted neutrality.]
Yes.
[He doesn't clarify if he is answering the first question or finishing Caspian's sentence.]
Their servility to the single collective is a small price they are later willing to pay to be cured of whatever plagues them.
After Huck, the most important thing became their consent. Until I realized when Jayce killed me... consent gave them the choice to turn away from reason.
[ yeah, he catches that. and he has thoughts, but he's feeling viktor out for now until he inevitably drags them both into the arcane to talk to viktor again. ]
I think some people would still see servility to one single being as a loss of free will, even if consented. Did they all understand what it would mean? Or were the people of the Undercity desperate enough it didn't matter as long as it was fixed? [ as long as they were fixed. ]
[Viktor is as kind as he can be considering (gestures), but Zaunites are desperate, too.]
They would come, and I would listen. I would explain how it would go if they were understanding, or at least to whoever may have brought them. They could accept, or they were free to leave.
If needed, I could look inside their minds without any conversion. To check.
Many accepted. Life otherwise was almost unlivable, as you saw.
[ he is really grasping the concept that viktor had the right idea and just poor execution because all of this makes sense. it makes sense to tell people and when you're desperate, of course you'll do anything and say anything to make your pain and suffering stop.
so he's quiet again. ]
All it needed was a stable core. And when that core is destroyed... [ hm. ] So the answer is finding a way to replace you as the center holding it together.
[Which sounds like an asshole move, but he did not know any of them well at the time, much less Caspian. No one wants to admit something like this either really... but with memories on the rise!]
My abilities... were waning. The more I used them, the dimmer my reserves became. I can't say what would have occurred if that had happened.
[ he doesn't look offended that viktor didn't tell him this, because yeah. there are quite a few things he's not telling viktor either, so. understandable. ]
... you would have deteriorated on your own, probably. [ like the original UIs who were created with the flaw. ] When did that start?
With Huck. Restoring his form took a very short toll on my energy. It is perhaps why it took so many tries later to reach and begin to restore Vander. Every person I cured, the strength of the arcane would reduce. No...
My body... simply was too human to remain a stable conduit for the scope of its power. It was my body failing again.
[ sometimes you're same brain and that brain is big and bad. ]
So there must have been something in Huck himself that shortcircuited you. Or, maybe, something that blocks the arcane itself and pushes back against it, creating cracks in its structure.
It goes right back to maybe the answer was creating a different structure that wasn't a human body. Sometimes... there are some things even the strongest human body can't withstand.
The Hexcore needed to be perfected. Jayce had been desperate, and he had looked through all of my notes, but...
[He glances at a hand, curling and uncurling it.]
My body needs to evolve more... It has to become less human to channel the current of the arcane... Perhaps... machinery is the best viable option... We were already halfway there.
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(Here come the memory horrors.)]
I am surprised to see you somewhere not the shop for books.
[He will venture over to Kiraman though.]
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I was there this morning. [ don't be that surprised. ] ... I haven't really been somewhere like this in a long time.
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Why? Does it not interest you?
[He glances around them...]
Or were you unable?
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The latter. Everything in the cloud's digital. But... even before that, I was asleep for twenty years. When I was woken up again, there wasn't much time to do things like this.
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It's things taken for granted often.
[When you're stupidly focused but also when you're one of those people not dying!]
I'd like to know more about your digital world. You were asleep for twenty years? That's a long time.
[He had a sleep too! Well, he would have if he wasn't here. It didn't last that long thankfully, and he was wedged into a hexcore cocoon and pumped full of Vander juice.]
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She said she couldn't wait any longer. I wasn't even supposed to be underclocked, but she saved me and said she was working to remove the pieces of antiviral still left in me that whole time. But there were some pieces left.
[ on that concerning note, he walks. come along, viktor. ]
Does the word uploading mean anything to you?
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[That isn't even the most concerning fucking thing here!! He hates this same man.
He falls in line along with Kiraman.]
Probably not in the same way it does for you. If we "uploaded" anything, it would have been... putting components inside of something else?
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Anyway you're close. Uploading would be putting a digital consciousness into the cloud. A scan of the brain is created and digitized, and the body is left behind.
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[Well, now he is thinking about the guardians on the other side... Who is your secret, Kiraman. (It's fucking two of them.)]
Hm. I understand, in a way. The commune retained access to their bodies. They were merely linked via the minds. But I can see a similar concept; if their bodies had been abandoned in favor of simply existing inside the place I showed you.
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Yeah, it's like that. When a person's uploaded, their mind's a perfect emulation, but it still functions the same. It can grow, and it can change, and it can work. The bodies in the cloud--avatars--can look like just about anything you want. I didn't change much of mine.
[ he has a robot arm, but that's different. also, he's not telling viktor about his emo white-streaked red-eyed era. ]
Being uploaded means you're pretty much immortal. You can't get sick, you can't decay... it's a way to live forever. Now, anyway. Before, with the first UIs, there were problems that left them unstable. But last I checked we're about half and half of UIs and embodied humans. They don't always get along though.
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Not Caspian's permanent VR chat.]
Is there a reason the two of them don't agree?
[Like, he could hazard a guess, but maybe better not to assume before being like lol us too.]
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Hard to itemize it as a list, I think.
[ and as they pass a puddle, viktor can get a sense of the conflict from this to 12:20, and continued from here to sure, let's say 16:40. you've seen this, have fun. ]
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Anyway, this is his future, but he doesn't know, so funny. He does have to stop in place and re-calibrate after, to sort through all of the information, and then try to reconcile seeing an advanced form of digital technology. INTERESTING.]
You were sabotaged?
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anyway, not hehe about this memory. ]
There were a lot of things happening because humanity feared UIs and what they were able to do. That was the case even when the first UIs were created. They viewed them as a threat. So much that a virus was created to hunt down every UI and destroy them. UIs, obviously, did not appreciate being treated as if they weren't alive. So they retaliated.
... I didn't know the attack would happen when I went in for negotiations that day.
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[Hmm. He has things to ponder! Also they truly are the dog looking in the mirror at each other, damn.]
Similar strife was going on between Piltover and Zaun; it had been for quite some time in the past. I understand.
[Anyway, shut up, Caspian's turn. He can witness the situationship divorce and the functionality of the hex aftermath thanks to a reflective gleam.]
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Perhaps it helps that the chancellor and I are partners. [ it was not a lie that her position made the whole thing kind of compromised. ] That, and I was the one to perfect the technology.
[ but he is watching this, frowning a little as it goes. ]
Piltover and Zaun were in conflict for a while, weren't they? But Jayce still... [ chose an easy route until the work was completed. until he could come back, finish something, and use it for other means. hm. ] ... when you heal them, the Hexcore marks them. There really is no turning back.
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Partners... Perfecting Jayce's dream.
The revelation is quickly consumed by the muted neutrality.]
Yes.
[He doesn't clarify if he is answering the first question or finishing Caspian's sentence.]
Their servility to the single collective is a small price they are later willing to pay to be cured of whatever plagues them.
After Huck, the most important thing became their consent. Until I realized when Jayce killed me... consent gave them the choice to turn away from reason.
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I think some people would still see servility to one single being as a loss of free will, even if consented. Did they all understand what it would mean? Or were the people of the Undercity desperate enough it didn't matter as long as it was fixed? [ as long as they were fixed. ]
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[Viktor is as kind as he can be considering (gestures), but Zaunites are desperate, too.]
They would come, and I would listen. I would explain how it would go if they were understanding, or at least to whoever may have brought them. They could accept, or they were free to leave.
If needed, I could look inside their minds without any conversion. To check.
Many accepted. Life otherwise was almost unlivable, as you saw.
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so he's quiet again. ]
All it needed was a stable core. And when that core is destroyed... [ hm. ] So the answer is finding a way to replace you as the center holding it together.
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I did not mention something to you before.
[Which sounds like an asshole move, but he did not know any of them well at the time, much less Caspian. No one wants to admit something like this either really... but with memories on the rise!]
My abilities... were waning. The more I used them, the dimmer my reserves became. I can't say what would have occurred if that had happened.
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... you would have deteriorated on your own, probably. [ like the original UIs who were created with the flaw. ] When did that start?
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With Huck. Restoring his form took a very short toll on my energy. It is perhaps why it took so many tries later to reach and begin to restore Vander. Every person I cured, the strength of the arcane would reduce. No...
My body... simply was too human to remain a stable conduit for the scope of its power. It was my body failing again.
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So there must have been something in Huck himself that shortcircuited you. Or, maybe, something that blocks the arcane itself and pushes back against it, creating cracks in its structure.
It goes right back to maybe the answer was creating a different structure that wasn't a human body. Sometimes... there are some things even the strongest human body can't withstand.
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[He glances at a hand, curling and uncurling it.]
My body needs to evolve more... It has to become less human to channel the current of the arcane... Perhaps... machinery is the best viable option... We were already halfway there.
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