It was shocking, especially since I thought Gammie was from earlier in the timeline than I was. And then it turns out she isn't. And she still hasn't explained what that means.
[ pouting about this to someone she just met is very unprofessional. ]
Sometimes I think that it's because we're sisters, and we're meant to annoy each other. Perhaps she's just being mean to me for fun. I wouldn't mind if that was all.
But other times I worry that it's because she doesn't trust me. Like there is information that I can't be trusted with.
[Hmmm. Oh n, he has walked into a family feud, and he is a hexpilled messiah with no siblings and a bunch of cult followers.]
Have you tried to talk to her about this? How you feel, I mean. It's easy to become consumed with the worst scenario knowing only one side. [Thinking of........ himself and Jayce.] Maybe she doesn't want you to worry? Or maybe she wants to protect you.
It is because most people's reason is clouded by their emotions. They want the essence of what I believe in, but not the process in which to obtain it.
[ she was going to very rudely be like 'well it sounds like they just don't want what you're offering then' but actually. that sounds kind of like uploading. which is a rough process, but a perfectly fine and good thing to do in mists's unbiased opinion! ]
Oh. Sometimes good things are behind a kind of scary-sounding process. I understand.
It does. It's one of the things I believed in the most. Peace. Harmony. A place people could live together, coexist without violence or war, pain or suffering. Disease, illnesses.
I don't know. That's what the cloud is like. Everyone can be healthy. Can look however they want and do whatever they want and live forever. And there's moderation so they can't hurt each other, either.
[ they don't even have to hivemind for it! just kill their physical selves!!! ]
... But there are still outsiders that want to hurt us.
People with criminal records aren't allowed into the cloud. It's kind of like Heaven, in a way. People who we aren't sure would behave aren't allowed in.
But a commune is a kind of different direction.
[ kind of seems like a last resort for the downtrodden. whereas the cloud was more of a luxury for people with the resources to afford it. ]
I can understand that. The very first man I healed, Huck, was a man consumed by drugs and disease. He tried to kill me with some others for... parts, likely to sell for the Shimmer that had become rampant in Zaun.
Healing them also healed their minds. There was always peace because they changed their ways after understanding their place in the collective.
[ i don't know that she totally understands the hivemind thing. and she usually believes that the regulations around the cloud are for good reason. but if he's able to help people and bring them peace, isn't that good? isn't that kind of like what they were hoping these weeks would do if they hadn't gone off the rails?
plus she was created to heal people's minds, so. same hat... ]
Even in the cloud, there's still disparity. Processing speeds—time itself—became a sort of currency when money stopped mattering. [ and CIs like her are basically second class citizens. ]
[She is right.... She is right! Viktor is the only person who thinks she is right. It's nice! It's a nice state of being...]
I see.
[Like her, he is still trying to piece together the digital format by what he has heard or saw of Kiraman. He loves it, the idea of it, too, but it is a bit more advanced beyond what he had come from. A little.]
We had no currency. We relied on bartering and trade amongst ourselves. On understanding the necessity of sharing.
It was a strong support for our way of life. Food was grown by everyone and shared as a community. Other work was divided, craftsmanship was exchanged, or simply done to help the collective.
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It must have been shocking to find all of that out. I'm glad you've had each other, though.
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[ pouting about this to someone she just met is very unprofessional. ]
But I am still glad that we're all here.
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Do you think there is a reason she is avoiding explaining things to you?
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But other times I worry that it's because she doesn't trust me. Like there is information that I can't be trusted with.
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Have you tried to talk to her about this? How you feel, I mean. It's easy to become consumed with the worst scenario knowing only one side. [Thinking of........ himself and Jayce.] Maybe she doesn't want you to worry? Or maybe she wants to protect you.
Sisters are important to each other.
[Thinking now of Violet and Jinx.]
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I've tried a little. But she was mad at me before we came here. We didn't talk for a long time.
But we've been talking here, so I don't want to mess it up. If she wanted to tell me, she would. And she hasn't, so... she must not want to.
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Ah. I see.
[This adds another layer to everything. What the fuck were y'all doing, damn?]
It's a bit disingenuous to continue on in this secretive manner. It's clearly hurting you.
[Tsk, tsk.]
This is why a single collective rids the conflict of miscommunication. All thoughts are known to each other.
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[ huh? ]
No, that seems bad.
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It isn't bad, but [a pause to exhale, resigned] you wouldn't be the first - or the last probably - to tell me such.
[DOES NO ONE HERE BELIEVE IN HIS HIVEMIND WITH HIM???? Where's Lucien?]
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Has anyone ever actually agreed with you before on this?
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It is because most people's reason is clouded by their emotions. They want the essence of what I believe in, but not the process in which to obtain it.
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Oh. Sometimes good things are behind a kind of scary-sounding process. I understand.
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Yes. The commune flourished actually. People were at peace. It wasn't a bad process of living.
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[ would love if we could have peace, actually. ]
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[He shakes his head.]
Why is it so difficult to create such a place?
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[ they don't even have to hivemind for it! just kill their physical selves!!! ]
... But there are still outsiders that want to hurt us.
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I understand. Outsiders did not care much for us if they didn't need healing. They didn't understand.
Caspian has spoken about... the cloud. A little. He said... the humanity was necessary.
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Without other people, Uploaded Intelligences would decay. They would die.
[ hm. ]
Did you ever turn people away for healing?
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I see.
[But he is Listening.]
No. No one was ever turned away. My aim was to help anyone who came to the commune seeking healing.
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But a commune is a kind of different direction.
[ kind of seems like a last resort for the downtrodden. whereas the cloud was more of a luxury for people with the resources to afford it. ]
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Healing them also healed their minds. There was always peace because they changed their ways after understanding their place in the collective.
[The Hive will make them obey.]
Equality helped it flourish.
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That sounds nice.
[ i don't know that she totally understands the hivemind thing. and she usually believes that the regulations around the cloud are for good reason. but if he's able to help people and bring them peace, isn't that good? isn't that kind of like what they were hoping these weeks would do if they hadn't gone off the rails?
plus she was created to heal people's minds, so. same hat... ]
Even in the cloud, there's still disparity. Processing speeds—time itself—became a sort of currency when money stopped mattering. [ and CIs like her are basically second class citizens. ]
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I see.
[Like her, he is still trying to piece together the digital format by what he has heard or saw of Kiraman. He loves it, the idea of it, too, but it is a bit more advanced beyond what he had come from. A little.]
We had no currency. We relied on bartering and trade amongst ourselves. On understanding the necessity of sharing.
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[ born in the cloud and her family was rich.......... ]
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It was a strong support for our way of life. Food was grown by everyone and shared as a community. Other work was divided, craftsmanship was exchanged, or simply done to help the collective.
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