[ he looks over the view of the church again. adolphe. ceres. all the members of the corps who checked on yves in their friendly if distant way. even the guy who stabbed him.
[ it is a lot of people. yves just looks at them all... and nods ]
Yeah. In my timeline...
[ the mirror shards show scien, and yves points at him ]
I couldn't save him. I couldn't get through to him.... so he ended up sacrificing the island for his goals and at least half the population died before I stopped him.
It took me a while to realize it too until I got to experience one of his memories... but he wanted to kill Hugo. [ points at hugo when he shows up on the mirrors again, with his freaky lil reliver eyes ]
I love Monsieur Lucas, but he doesn't like Relivers... so he really doesn't like Scien...
I'm not going to say that Scien's perfect either, he's really a brusque guy! But I don't want to judge him that harshly either.
[ if you take lucas's insanely brutal opinion of scien and yves's way too generous opinion of scien and meet in the middle you get the approximation of what he's actually like ]
I did kill him, so in the end there were things I couldn't abide by. But... I don't know if I can really judge someone by what they did at their worst, when they were at their most desperate.
Because at his best... Scien saved us all countless times without asking for anything in return.
Listen, Yves, I've done some insane things in the name of people I care about, but I think it stops being complicated when you do a genocide, and then you're just nuts. I'm not good at seeing the other side of hurting other people.
I don't blame you. I don't think that's a wrong way to think.
But... he just wasn't always that way. Even with everyone we lost, that's still nothing compared to the lives he'd saved. Me, Monsieur Lucas, Adolphe... we never would've even been born if not for Scien. And all those years, he asked for nothing. He saved people just because he wanted to, no matter what struggles he faced.
I guess. [ doesn't seem entirely inclined to listen, but thats because she doesnt know lucas is in a cult, which would make her less likely to think lucas is perfectly stable ] How's he responsible for you being born?
Because if he didn't invent Reliver technology decades ago, our island would've died out. My grandfather wouldn't have been able to become a Reliver, and my lineage would've stopped. 23 years... it really isn't that long, based on what everyone else is saying.
[ how could they ever expect to make it without some kind of insane clone technology? ]
And then he dedicated his entire life to stopping the curse.
Oh, that. I'm not saying his work on the Reliver technology is bad on principle--but there's some inherent flaws in it he hasn't worked on or let anyone else work on, either, from what I heard. I think that's ego.
[ she does seem genuine when she says the reliver tech is fine if flawed lucas cant make her a hater on that front ]
... but the Institute has been running for as long as he's been alive. He's not the only one working on things? If anything, I think most of the problems we had stemmed from the fact that we expected only him to save all of us for so long...
But if you're talking about the emotions flaw... by the end, he fixed those too.
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[ no that's changing. ]
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[ . . . and he just laughs a little bit ]
I think... I got worse at it over time, but seeing things like this... do remind me of when I drew my line a bit better.
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... it's enough to make me think of when things were simpler, at least.
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Simpler?
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and yves points at hugo ]
He's the only one still alive.
Everyone else died over the past four years.
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oh. squeezes his hand ]
... I'm sorry. [ she knows what it's like to look at old stuff and be like And Everyone In That Picture Is Dead, but: ] All of them?
[ that is a lot of people. ]
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Yeah. In my timeline...
[ the mirror shards show scien, and yves points at him ]
I couldn't save him. I couldn't get through to him.... so he ended up sacrificing the island for his goals and at least half the population died before I stopped him.
And then... he died and I died.
[ all of them but hugo. ]
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[ she says that so >:/ because LUCAS HAS BIASED HER AGAINST HIM ALREADY HELP MEEEE THIS IS JUST CONFIRMING HER HATE ]
He killed all of them? And you? What the hell for?!
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okay ]
... who brought him up? Adolphe? Or Monsieur Lucas?
[ hE FUCKING KNOWS WHO LUCAS IS NOW FINALLY
SO HE CAN GUESS WHERE THIS IS GOING ]
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[ why would lucas have a bias.... ]
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Well.
I love him very much but Monsieur Lucas would also want to kill half the people in this room so let's reel it back a little.
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[ LUCAS IS SO PURE AND INNOCENT...? ]
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I love Monsieur Lucas, but he doesn't like Relivers... so he really doesn't like Scien...
I'm not going to say that Scien's perfect either, he's really a brusque guy! But I don't want to judge him that harshly either.
[ if you take lucas's insanely brutal opinion of scien and yves's way too generous opinion of scien and meet in the middle you get the approximation of what he's actually like ]
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[ well it seemed logical to not like it when he explained it, she can't think of lucas KILLING anyone that's her blorbo wtf...
also there's a long pause like she is not doubting you yves but also have you considered: ]
You just told me Scien killed off half the population of your island. What do you mean, "I don't wnat to judge him that harshly".
[ JUDGE HIM HARDER? ]
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[ yves looks thoughtful about it, contemplative ]
I did kill him, so in the end there were things I couldn't abide by. But... I don't know if I can really judge someone by what they did at their worst, when they were at their most desperate.
Because at his best... Scien saved us all countless times without asking for anything in return.
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Okay, but desperation doesn't usually lead to killing half an island's population.
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So he did everything he could to try to bring her back, even resorting to inhumane experiments.
I'm not excusing him... I couldn't stand for what he'd become, it's just... complicated, I think.
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I don't blame you. I don't think that's a wrong way to think.
But... he just wasn't always that way. Even with everyone we lost, that's still nothing compared to the lives he'd saved. Me, Monsieur Lucas, Adolphe... we never would've even been born if not for Scien. And all those years, he asked for nothing. He saved people just because he wanted to, no matter what struggles he faced.
So it feels... more complicated than that.
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[ how could they ever expect to make it without some kind of insane clone technology? ]
And then he dedicated his entire life to stopping the curse.
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[ she does seem genuine when she says the reliver tech is fine if flawed lucas cant make her a hater on that front ]
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[ he won't argue that ]
... but the Institute has been running for as long as he's been alive. He's not the only one working on things? If anything, I think most of the problems we had stemmed from the fact that we expected only him to save all of us for so long...
But if you're talking about the emotions flaw... by the end, he fixed those too.
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[ the rest of it she can like, dismiss more easily, but that one surprises her Wow Would Lucas Really Do That, Not Know Things ]
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