No, it wouldn't. It reads each make-up differently which means it'd manifest differently and latch onto different parts of each person. It can't fit the same for every single person, but it can find a common denominator and multiply itself from there. But you're right. Without really knowing each other, it's an easier target for sowing that discord.
[ ah. well, this makes sense, and there's a moment where he's quietly thinking on that. ]
Immortality always has some strings attached to it. Might not see them right way, but they're there. You can have it, but you run the risk of obtaining a disease, or not actually being able to fully enjoy being around that long because there's not enough space or whatever the case may be.
[ here he goes quiet again, but this time it's because he's trying to figure out how to explain all of this in a broad scope that doesn't involve a whole bunch of technical terms. ]
You could call it a virus, too. Or, in any case, an anti-viral? It was a creation by the United Nations in order to track down and erase UIs. Uploaded Intelligence. To become a UI, a person's subconscious and mind are digitally emulated and uploaded to a space called the cloud, leaving their physical bodies behind. You can sort of think of it like being in heaven. But people begin to fear the UIs, so a virus was created to wipe them out. One UI in particular created a virus in return that he would launch on Earth, targeting millions of souls to force them to upload. [ this is a bigger explanation than he wanted, god. ] In order to stop him, I uploaded myself, but it meant that the virus—Safesurf—erased both of us.
[ vaguely gestures to his robotic-like arm. it's the most obvious example of where the corrosion hit. but .....a pause. ]
I remember dying. But I also remember someone pulling me out at the last minute. Twenty years later, she woke me up because she needed my help, but she told me that there were still traces of Safesurf in my upload. The faster I processed, the faster it would eat me alive. But we were running out of time, so I overclocked to catch up on what I'd missed over those twenty years to make the negotiations I needed to make to try and save the world again. I knew I would only last a few days. A week if I was lucky. But I was prepared for that, too.
[ that does sound familiar... me having to reach into the penacony lore, help... jing yuan nods slowly as he draws yet another comparison. ]
I believe I understand the framework of it. We have a similar technology in our world, where one can send their consciousness into a shared 'dream'. And within that dream, memetic entities and viruses can be found—beings created from thoughts and memories, without a true, physical form, and pieces of information that cause disorder.
[ ... ]
A great sacrifice, then, and a great burden to carry. [ he bows his head in acknowledgement. "I'm used to fixing things that're broken." ] Even now, you endeavor tirelessly. You have my respect, Kiraman.
[ (even if he's still a neutral thot on the chart)
also i believe adolphe confirmed with kiraman that this place isn't the matrix, but jing yuan does ask too, ]
Yeah, that sounds close. [ it also sounds like viktor's situation, a little, but he's not going to mention that because he still has thoughts on that. ] The cloud is still accessible on Earth by the embodied, because we're stored in servers, but it opens up to things being able to slip in. Safesurf was created initially because people were afraid of what the creation and stabilization of UIs meant. ...when the first ones were created, initially, there was a flaw in them. If they processed too fast, they would also suffer damage and eventually be erased. I solved it. I made a cure to stabilize UIs, and create them without the flaw.
And then that guy was woken up, given my cure and. [ he's like. actually agitated about whoever this man is, but he digresses. ] He created the UI technology, but he died before he could figure out how to create a cure. I did it instead, and it was used on him to upload him. He wanted to live, and I was fine dying to stop him.
[ he doesn't necessarily need respect, but he can accept it with a little bow of his head. ]
This is heaven though, so you don't have to worry about that. [ not a simulation. ] But, as it turns out, I can still do a lot of the same things here as I could in the cloud. That helps. It's giving me a new loophole to finding our solutions.
...You almost sound like a doctor, in that respect. [ he's listening along thoughtfully. ]
'That guy'...? Did he pose a threat to your world?
[ does he still?
at any rate, this is plenty to chew on. ]
...'Heaven is heaven for all kinds of people.' I wonder if that is what Miss Mary meant, that you can apply the same skills here that you could back home.
[ he hadn't really thought of it that way, and he's pretty sure this isn't something he needs to tell jing yuan but he hopes that maybe this also provides some context. ]
Ramiel was that cure. She's a little different than a UI. [ so. kiraman thinks that maybe if he was able to create something like her, and she was able to do what she's done, maybe fixing the communication shouldn't be this difficult. ]
Before he died, he was hailed as a genius. Had a whole tech company and everything. He knew he was dying, so he made a failsafe to continue his life's work if he couldn't solve for the flaw before then. He didn't, so they brought the failsafe in. [ the way he says this is very clinical. ] When the cure was created, colleagues of his uploaded his brain to create a UI for him. And he decided that everyone should upload for UIs to become superior, created a virus to infect millions of people, and didn't seem to have a problem with that. But he, and the virus, were both destroyed.
[ along with kiraman but he...got...better. sort of. ]
I think Mary means things in her own way that none of us are close to understanding, but it applies here, too. Heaven has opportunities some of you have probably never seen before, while also giving me a chance to try and use what I know to work things out.
Ramiel? Then, has she been able to manifest a true form, here...?
[ heaven continues to be wild, in either case. SO DOES THIS CANON. ]
...It is good you were able to put a stop to him. Though I understand the cost must have been steep.
[ kiraman... but ah, he smiles at the mention of mary. ]
Her perspective is refreshing, even if opaque. [ he then nods. ] So it would seem. Tragedies aside, I am enjoying my time here. I wonder if it might all feel like a dream, once we return.
...Do you find the challenge enjoyable, or frustrating? [ or perhaps both? ]
Not here. She... made a form for herself in the cloud, I think? When I woke up, she suddenly looked like that. [ when he died, she was simply a rice cooker.
he sort of looks like he wants to say "fuck that guy", but he does not. ]
I knew what the cost was. And it was completely worth it. We didn't have any other options.
[ but enough about that, he's just blowing past it. except running into that question. ]
It's not meant to be a miserable place. [ dubiously. things got real fucked real fast over on the living side. ] So... enjoyment is good. While you're healing, it's better than stressing your soul out. [ the challenge is both, but. he shrugs. getting kiraman to actively talk about this sort of thing is always a pain in the ass. ] A challenge is a challenge, and it isn't anything new. I'm not as great inside a closed network, but with everybody else and everything else, it's a little easier.
[ i'm losing my mind. RICE COOKER! jing yuan probably understands what he's saying at least... probably.
he nods in acknowledgment. he would've chosen the same, in kiraman's position. ]
...If only we would stress less as a whole. But I suppose the wants of an old man are different. [ there's honestly a bit of a divide between ages and attitudes here. where others are understandably reactive, jing yuan... is not. and not for lack of empathy, but out of necessity. mara is the result of too much stress on the soul, after all. ]
That is good to hear. What do you do for enjoyment then, outside your work?
[ what he's really asking is, when do you take breaks,,, ]
I get it. Nobody's completely fine with dying, but this is still one of the safer places you could end up. [ so people's anger is fair, but also, kiraman really said "i don't have time for this."
mostly because he has other things to do. they really do have that in common, apparently. speaking of things in common, much like my other geniuses i've played, kiraman visibly pauses as he tries to think of how to answer that question. ]
... I used to spend a lot of time online browsing forums and stuff. And there was a comic shop a few blocks from my house I'd visit every other week to pick up some new stuff. After a while, none of it mattered, I think. I used to have other things, but... they were never really mine. I don't miss them.
[ it's so funny bc jy was a killer and didn't get stabbed a hundred times to death, but yeah... sometimes... ur mindful ur on an 8wk time crunch... 😔😔😔
also your geniuses ty!!!! hysterically jing yuan canonically also spends so much time browsing online forums, i have no idea how he gets any work done.
anyway he notes that this is all in past tense. he hums. ]
...Not to interrupt your work any more than I already have [ and he will excuse himself soon ], but when you have a spare moment, there's a comic shop here I've yet to stop by. Perhaps you can give me recommendations sometime.
[ the timecrunch is real... that's me thinking about how close endgame is to sakuracon.
sometimes a little online browsing is good for the brain! also i feel like jy deserves to slack a little. ]
It's not interrupting, Jing Yuan. [ there's a half smile. ] I work out of that shop half the time anyway, but I thought having a desk would be a good change of pace. Anytime though, I can probably find something you'd like.
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[ ah. well, this makes sense, and there's a moment where he's quietly thinking on that. ]
Immortality always has some strings attached to it. Might not see them right way, but they're there. You can have it, but you run the risk of obtaining a disease, or not actually being able to fully enjoy being around that long because there's not enough space or whatever the case may be.
[ here he goes quiet again, but this time it's because he's trying to figure out how to explain all of this in a broad scope that doesn't involve a whole bunch of technical terms. ]
You could call it a virus, too. Or, in any case, an anti-viral? It was a creation by the United Nations in order to track down and erase UIs. Uploaded Intelligence. To become a UI, a person's subconscious and mind are digitally emulated and uploaded to a space called the cloud, leaving their physical bodies behind. You can sort of think of it like being in heaven. But people begin to fear the UIs, so a virus was created to wipe them out. One UI in particular created a virus in return that he would launch on Earth, targeting millions of souls to force them to upload. [ this is a bigger explanation than he wanted, god. ] In order to stop him, I uploaded myself, but it meant that the virus—Safesurf—erased both of us.
[ vaguely gestures to his robotic-like arm. it's the most obvious example of where the corrosion hit. but .....a pause. ]
I remember dying. But I also remember someone pulling me out at the last minute. Twenty years later, she woke me up because she needed my help, but she told me that there were still traces of Safesurf in my upload. The faster I processed, the faster it would eat me alive. But we were running out of time, so I overclocked to catch up on what I'd missed over those twenty years to make the negotiations I needed to make to try and save the world again. I knew I would only last a few days. A week if I was lucky. But I was prepared for that, too.
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I believe I understand the framework of it. We have a similar technology in our world, where one can send their consciousness into a shared 'dream'. And within that dream, memetic entities and viruses can be found—beings created from thoughts and memories, without a true, physical form, and pieces of information that cause disorder.
[ ... ]
A great sacrifice, then, and a great burden to carry. [ he bows his head in acknowledgement. "I'm used to fixing things that're broken." ] Even now, you endeavor tirelessly. You have my respect, Kiraman.
[ (even if he's still a neutral thot on the chart)
also i believe adolphe confirmed with kiraman that this place isn't the matrix, but jing yuan does ask too, ]
...This is not a simulation [ or UI ], correct?
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Yeah, that sounds close. [ it also sounds like viktor's situation, a little, but he's not going to mention that because he still has thoughts on that. ] The cloud is still accessible on Earth by the embodied, because we're stored in servers, but it opens up to things being able to slip in. Safesurf was created initially because people were afraid of what the creation and stabilization of UIs meant. ...when the first ones were created, initially, there was a flaw in them. If they processed too fast, they would also suffer damage and eventually be erased. I solved it. I made a cure to stabilize UIs, and create them without the flaw.
And then that guy was woken up, given my cure and. [ he's like. actually agitated about whoever this man is, but he digresses. ] He created the UI technology, but he died before he could figure out how to create a cure. I did it instead, and it was used on him to upload him. He wanted to live, and I was fine dying to stop him.
[ he doesn't necessarily need respect, but he can accept it with a little bow of his head. ]
This is heaven though, so you don't have to worry about that. [ not a simulation. ] But, as it turns out, I can still do a lot of the same things here as I could in the cloud. That helps. It's giving me a new loophole to finding our solutions.
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...You almost sound like a doctor, in that respect. [ he's listening along thoughtfully. ]
'That guy'...? Did he pose a threat to your world?
[ does he still?
at any rate, this is plenty to chew on. ]
...'Heaven is heaven for all kinds of people.' I wonder if that is what Miss Mary meant, that you can apply the same skills here that you could back home.
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Ramiel was that cure. She's a little different than a UI. [ so. kiraman thinks that maybe if he was able to create something like her, and she was able to do what she's done, maybe fixing the communication shouldn't be this difficult. ]
Before he died, he was hailed as a genius. Had a whole tech company and everything. He knew he was dying, so he made a failsafe to continue his life's work if he couldn't solve for the flaw before then. He didn't, so they brought the failsafe in. [ the way he says this is very clinical. ] When the cure was created, colleagues of his uploaded his brain to create a UI for him. And he decided that everyone should upload for UIs to become superior, created a virus to infect millions of people, and didn't seem to have a problem with that. But he, and the virus, were both destroyed.
[ along with kiraman but he...got...better. sort of. ]
I think Mary means things in her own way that none of us are close to understanding, but it applies here, too. Heaven has opportunities some of you have probably never seen before, while also giving me a chance to try and use what I know to work things out.
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Ramiel? Then, has she been able to manifest a true form, here...?
[ heaven continues to be wild, in either case. SO DOES THIS CANON. ]
...It is good you were able to put a stop to him. Though I understand the cost must have been steep.
[ kiraman... but ah, he smiles at the mention of mary. ]
Her perspective is refreshing, even if opaque. [ he then nods. ] So it would seem. Tragedies aside, I am enjoying my time here. I wonder if it might all feel like a dream, once we return.
...Do you find the challenge enjoyable, or frustrating? [ or perhaps both? ]
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he sort of looks like he wants to say "fuck that guy", but he does not. ]
I knew what the cost was. And it was completely worth it. We didn't have any other options.
[ but enough about that, he's just blowing past it. except running into that question. ]
It's not meant to be a miserable place. [ dubiously. things got real fucked real fast over on the living side. ] So... enjoyment is good. While you're healing, it's better than stressing your soul out. [ the challenge is both, but. he shrugs. getting kiraman to actively talk about this sort of thing is always a pain in the ass. ] A challenge is a challenge, and it isn't anything new. I'm not as great inside a closed network, but with everybody else and everything else, it's a little easier.
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he nods in acknowledgment. he would've chosen the same, in kiraman's position. ]
...If only we would stress less as a whole. But I suppose the wants of an old man are different. [ there's honestly a bit of a divide between ages and attitudes here. where others are understandably reactive, jing yuan... is not. and not for lack of empathy, but out of necessity. mara is the result of too much stress on the soul, after all. ]
That is good to hear. What do you do for enjoyment then, outside your work?
[ what he's really asking is, when do you take breaks,,, ]
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mostly because he has other things to do. they really do have that in common, apparently. speaking of things in common, much like my other geniuses i've played, kiraman visibly pauses as he tries to think of how to answer that question. ]
... I used to spend a lot of time online browsing forums and stuff. And there was a comic shop a few blocks from my house I'd visit every other week to pick up some new stuff. After a while, none of it mattered, I think. I used to have other things, but... they were never really mine. I don't miss them.
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also your geniuses ty!!!! hysterically jing yuan canonically also spends so much time browsing online forums, i have no idea how he gets any work done.
anyway he notes that this is all in past tense. he hums. ]
...Not to interrupt your work any more than I already have [ and he will excuse himself soon ], but when you have a spare moment, there's a comic shop here I've yet to stop by. Perhaps you can give me recommendations sometime.
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sometimes a little online browsing is good for the brain! also i feel like jy deserves to slack a little. ]
It's not interrupting, Jing Yuan. [ there's a half smile. ] I work out of that shop half the time anyway, but I thought having a desk would be a good change of pace. Anytime though, I can probably find something you'd like.
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and jy definitely takes it easy, do not worry hehe. he returns the smile. (his not-so-secret ploy to get kiraman some enrichment... a success?) ]
I look forward to it. ...If you'll excuse me, it is getting late for an old man like me. [ he has to sleep off these mild burn... eventually! ]
Thank you for your time, Principal.
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(success on jy's part, even if kiraman won't admit it.) ]
Sure. You know where to find me when you need me. Take it easy on the way back. [ onward you go. ]